South Forsyth Story-Please, Not Again

I remember back in the day, when as a young builder it was about impossible to find a decent building lot in south Forsyth County.  Now that would have been the mid-late 1980’s or so.  Practically all that existed were large tracts of land, pastures and forests, hardly even a gas station.  As you drove 141 north out of Fulton County, long before it became Peachtree Parkway, I mean, you were out in the country.  I remember scouting around for a lot even before Aberdeen, long before Laurel Springs was imagined. I would drive curbless county roads where a few homes did exist, looking for ‘lot for sale’ signs.  Even though at the time there wasn’t much of a market for new homes in south Forsyth, I just figured that if other occupied homes sold, whatever I might build would eventually sell too.  Marketing genius, here.

I recall the many times driving down two-lane Mathis Airport Road, leaf-laden hardwood bows overhanging the entire way.  In those days, even on a sunny day, in some places along the route the filtering of light through the canopy of trees would resemble that of a moonlit evening.

My, my, how the times have changed.  These days when I drive down that way, which I try to avoid, I get lost.  That area has become concrete, asphalt, strip shopping centers, Krogers, Walmarts, gas stations, oh, and did I mention high-occupancy residential developments?  I mean there are so many houses, in so many developments that it is mind-boggling.  And the traffic, my goodness.  The traffic is punishing, nothing like it was.  That area is like a different planet from what I knew.

South Forsyth County Clear Cut Home Sites
And viewing the area through Google Earth, as I zoom in to see what’s really happening down there, wow, those homes look awfully close together.  Using the measuring tool provided, from overhang to overhang, I swear some of those homes are only eight feet, yes, I’m correct, only eight feet apart, maybe less.  Is that even legal?  And the lots are, what, a hundred feet deep and not even 60 feet wide, with a house shoehorned onto them?  Now who’s idea was that?  Surely the fire marshal, at least, would have had something to say about that.  Whatever happened to side restrictions? Setbacks? Fire codes? And since there’s no way to even drain home sites packed so close together, those clear-cut lots have no yards, one planted tree, and the homesteaders share a common concrete driveway/drainage “feature” down their rear property lines.  Surely this isn’t south Forsyth County, not the one I knew.  

Distance Between Homes 8 Feet or Less
And now, of course, predictably, the area is rife with political strife.  One group feels disenfranchised and underrepresented, so they try to start their own city, ironically, to gain separation from the county government that regretfully allowed them to move there in the first place.  And they have friends who are totally against it.  It’s almost like a mini-civil war, friend against friend, family member against family member.  Indulge me for some unsolicited advice, good neighbors: Remember, a house divided cannot stand.  That war was fought and everyone lost.  Save the Union.

And to help take advantage of all the discord…uh…I mean, ‘help the sides work things out,’ community organizers like ‘Smart Growth,’ with franchises in all 50 states, and home office in Washington, DC, insert themselves, ostensibly to “help” with all the problems.  Nice of them to “help,” don’t you think?

Notice Green Space in Fulton/Cherokee vs. South Forsyth
But look, none of this had to be this way.  South Forsyth could have grown along a completely different path, with well-designed, large-lot developments, automatically conserving trees and wooded areas, with carefully planned commercial districts, manageable traffic, and schools in which overcrowding would never be an issue.

And I guess today’s county planners have just given up on controlling growth.  Instead they’ve switched over to unconstitutionally regulating architectural design standards in new private developments.  I guess that’s a stab at making some of these homes packed in like sardines look a little nicer.  Funny, the solution to the problems government caused by not doing its job in the first place, which could have been easily avoided by restricting to larger lots, is more government regulation, more personnel costs, more vehicle costs, not to mention county infrastructure costs for all these new developments. 

And you would think that with that many more taxpayers, government services would become more affordable.  But since 2004, including another $300 million bond referendum coming up, Forsyth County debt will skyrocket over a billion dollars, increasing by factor of four, albeit during a time when the county population has less than doubled. 

Obviously, Forsyth County Government has not been doing its job.  And I do not necessarily blame all the present county commissioners who inherited this mess.  The poor decisions that led Forsyth County to where it is today were made over a decade by the board members at the time.  The present board is at least moving toward increasing lot sizes, which has been the answer all along.

But get this, friends, one of the principle members on former county commissions, directly responsible for decisions that have brought our county to the circumstances we deal with today, is looking for your vote to represent Forsyth County in the Georgia Senate.  That’s right, former long-time chair of the Forsyth County Commission, Brian Tam, whose tenure in office spans the time frame incorporating some of the worst county developmental policies in history, who could not adequately represent county citizens when dealing with south Forsyth developers, now wants to represent this county, dealing with professional lobbyists at the Georgia Capitol.

Now, really, is that what Forsyth County wants…again?

Comments

  1. To correct the record, Smart Growth Forsyth County, is not and has never been nationally or otherwise affiliated with any other organization. We are, have always been, and will always be a citizen based, grass-roots, non-profit organization advocating for responsible growth in our County and providing advice and assistance to individuals and communities fighting for the same. This is a mission that we have pursued without change for over a decade. I will not comment on the bitter irony of a builder waxing poetic about the days when the County was an undeveloped cherry waiting to be picked by the development community.

    Robert Slaughter - Managing Director and Founder, Smart Growth Forsyth County, Inc.

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    1. Robert with respect, Smart Growth is an idea, an ideological purpose, and its local purpose is related directly to the purpose of all the other Smart Growth initiatives around the country. And the roots of the ideology are in the United Nations. If you do not know that, then maybe this should be an eye opener for you and a reason for you to gracefully exit. Thank you for the comment.

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    2. Respectfully Hank, your comment clearly shows you no nothing about the organization or its work in the County.

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  2. Robert, with all due respect, your team could have made a difference not once but twice but chose to do otherwise and look what we got.

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    1. Correct Joseph. Robert and Claudia backed Tam. Sad day when the people promoting "smart growth" back someone who LOVES high density, over crowed schools and road ways that are at least 10 years behind schedule. North Forsyth please pay attention and consider local control before you are like your neighbors to the south.

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    2. "Remember, a house divided cannot stand. That war was fought and everyone lost. Save the Union."

      Though I otherwise appreciate the article, this is a really misplaced Civil War reference & comparison. Suggesting that "everyone lost" in the struggle to ensure the equal freedoms of every man (regardless of race) is pretty awful and it undermines the otherwise salient points you make here.

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    3. Thank you for your comment. And you will remember that it was Lincoln who quoted Scripture in the reference to which you refer. In that speech he warned that a crisis would occur if the movement to divide the country into two actually succeeded. And he was right. His was a warning because he knew that nothing could be gained from dividing the country, and much would be lost, including the Constitution. It was a warning because although both sides believed in the cause of their side, and even invoked God's aid to defeat the other, he knew in the end would be complete devastation. And then Lincoln too lost his life.

      And so it was utter devastation in the end.

      But the war was not fought over the question of slavery It was fought over the question whether slavery should be allowed to become established in the settling Western territories moving toward statehood. And so no one died to halt slavery. They died either to prevent its spread or promote its spread. That Lincoln freed the slaves in states rebelling against the United States was not a moral decision on Lincoln's part, although he believed it morally wrong. It was a necessary war measure to encourage the slaves to stop helping the southern states effort to prosecute a war. Thus the end of slavery was a vicarious result of the war, but not a goal that anyone was officially fighting for. And that is why I do not share your feeling that the American Civil War was fought be persons struggling to ensure the equal freedom of every man. If you asked any of them at the time why he fought, I doubt you would receive many answers that it was to promote equal rights.

      Now in the long view of history which was Lincoln's perspective at Gettysburg, we can speak of the effect that the Civil War had, which in its own way served as a cleansing of sorts, and certainly resulted in the abolition of slavery. And we can speak of the effect of those lives lost during the war being the price to pay to abolish it, which resulted in a new birth of freedom for our country and perhaps the world, but still that was a vicarious result and not the primary goal of any of the participants at the time. Lincoln Shirley believe that the hand of Providence was at work steering America to God's chosen outcome. But Lincoln stated clearly in his second inaugural address when he supposed to the crowd that God had chosen this time to end slavery. But notice that Lincoln never said that Lincoln had chosen that time or that in either of the sides combating against the other had chosen that time. And so for these reasons I simply do not share your opinion that those who fought during the Civil War did so to end slavery. That's just what happened.

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    4. It is also my personal feeling that nothing is be gained by establishing a city in the lower third of Forsyth County. As would have been advisable prior to the Civil War, all sides need to now sit and discuss the circumstances that bring about this discussion and Discord.

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    5. That's been tried. The time for discussion is over. As a resident in District 2 for the past 10 years, my taxes have literally doubled. The definition of insanity is continuing down the same unproductive path and expecting a different result. Enough is enough, bring on Sharon Springs!

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    6. How would you like it if Sharon Springs had to pay for their own schools?

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    7. That's not how the proposed new city would work.

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    8. You made my point, semper. Sharon Springs want its cake and eat it too. They want to share in the revenues, but not the costs. Forsyth County is about to go into another quarter billion dollars in debt to build and expand schools, mostly in South Forsyth County. These will be YOUR schools, not mine. Why should not the local municipality have to pay for those schools? We have plenty of schools where I live. For the rest of the county to have to share its revenues, and to go further in debt to pay for education in South Forsyth, is not equitable for the rest of the county.

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    9. Please explain Joseph, the two moments that SGFC could have "done something" that would have changed the current outcome in the County? And to Anonymous -- SGFC did not "back" Tam or any other political candidate, nor did I or Claudia. SGFC has always been and will always be, apolitical.

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    10. The schools aren't yours or mine, they are the children's schools, and they are built here because this is where a greater percentage of the children & their families live. If the County paying for this is an issue for you, then your problem shouldn't be with Sharon Springs, but rather with the state legislature that does inexplicably does not allow for the collection of school impact fees from developers.

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  3. I moved here in 1988 and the only things on Bethelview Road between 400 and GA 20 were an old convenience store and the start of the Polo Fields. We built a home in a small subdivision off of Chamblee Gap West. I have personally witnessed the destruction of our beautiful landscape. Our lot was required to be a half acre and was actually .60 with pines and hardwoods. No clear cutting in our neighborhood. We backed up to a farm. Sad to see what has taken place.

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